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Monday, July 30, 2007

I Told You So

Maybe I wasn't exactly "nice" in every discussion I entered about the supposed unjustified aggression on the part of the Toronto Police fueled by their racism. But nice or not, I think my warning was sound: don't call "foul" before the ref gets a chance to see the instant reply, because if you're proven wrong, Chile, you'll look like a fool.

Now, you've been proven wrong.

It's the testimony by a member of the self-same, victimized, animalized La Rojita, who admitted that, actually, a team member had clocked a female officer in the face before she pulled out the taser. (Would he have done that to a male officer? Sorry that's not the point.)

The point is that Bachelet seriously fucked up by placing her story in the hands of a bunch of newbies who can't even keep it straight. I don't blame them. Not only are they young, but they've probably never faced racism in their life (even the brown ones - they get athletic immunity).

Abner Louima, Haitian immigrant of "It's Giuliani Time" fame, probably had faced real racism. He knew that being beat up by the New York police and sodomized with a broken broomstick wouldn't really raise eyebrows, unless he made a political connection. He admitted later that the officers never said "It's Giuliani Time", but at that point he'd created the necessary effect, shining light upon the ills of the New York police. Admitting that black lie revealed his intelligence, not disingenuousness.

As the Chilean kids' story unravels with bad timing, it exposes both their lack of intelligence as well as their disingenuousness. It delivers a sound bitch-slap to the president (I'd say the same thing if it were Lagos) and everyone else who suddenly became a victimized "brown sudaca" overnight.

Those sub-20 soccer players are a bunch of drama queens, and sadly they represent the strongest form of identity that Chile possesses. (Is there anything stronger, more unifying to Chile than soccer? Perhaps empanadas? Argentina does both better.) Anyway, much of Chile rallies around these kids emotionally, which (as long as the kids don't get seriously fucked up by that premature adulation) is beautiful until it spills out of the stadium and into matters that require rationality.

"Unjustified aggression". What a joke. And everyone else who upped her ante with charges of racism, now there's solid proof that the police were acting based on the violence of the situation, nothing to do with racism. Nothing you can prove at least.

You see, it's totally for your own good that you pipe down and review the situation seriously. It's like the boy who fucking cried wolf. You're that much less credible from now on, even in matters where suspicions of racism might actually be valid. This is constructive criticism, and if you confuse "harsh" with "nonconstructive", then shed your thin skin and grow up. It's in your best interest, Chile.
 

19 Comments:

At 3:37 AM, Anonymous Mike said...

I'm from Edmonton Canada and nobody here (at least nobody I know) really cares about what happened anymore.

The police here can be a out of control and do things you might not expect, and I'm saying that from experience. Not surprisingly, most people here don't want to hear what the police's explanations are, because they are usually lies to protect themselves.

You would expect me to be defending what the police did, being from here, but that's how much I think they're lying.

So now I'm lead to believe that it all started from one player having an argument with a fan, and then hitting a police officer. If this is true, then that one player deserved to be restrained. But somehow, the rest of the team also got punished for it, which I find really unfair. Or how about the tear gas thrown into the bus? Some say that they did that because the players were breaking the bus's windows, while others say that the players broke the windows to let the tear gas out.

I really don't know what to believe now. It's all just a blur. There isn't enough evidence to prove anything, but if I had to pick a side it would be the football team's.

 
At 1:52 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

The police here can be a out of control and do things you might not expect

I wouldn't put anything past 'em. I was drinking Jaeger in a brown bag with a couple friends in between bars in SF once and a couple suits pulled up and forcefully tore it out of my buddy's hands. He was studying law, so he held onto it, and it's obvious that what the cops did was illegal (not to mention the abusive language and the 7 bucks they owe us to this day that bottle was almost full when they poured it out). I'm not whining about brutality, it wasn't brutal but it was illegal, and it felt strange. If they do that to a group of white kids on a crowded street - well, I've heard of someone whose cop family member routinely beats up people, when they know they can, there seems to be a large underbelly of unreported police brutality, etc, nothing I can prove, but neither would it surprise me.

At the same time you can't lump all cops together and take a "blurry" situation and make definite statements about "unjustified force".

Perhaps it's a bit unfounded for me to make the sweeping statement "proven wrong". I might be going out on a limb with that but it's a pretty stable limb, because a) it'll be next to impossible to prove that the force was "unjustified" now that there's evidence of a violent attack against a peace officer and b) it doesn't contradict how I've been describing the situation all along, I wrote:

it's a brawl, but police don't like to lose so they pulled out the pepper spray and tasers.

I don't think I've ever expressed "support" for what the Toronto cops did. Tasers, mace and tear gas are obviously brutal. The question is, is it out of their professional scope? When officers are getting taunted and physically attacked?

It's a good question, and that's how it should have been approached.

But even if more evidence does come out and the police are shown beyond a shadow of a doubt to have used excessive force, been racist, etc, the fact remains that the Chilean president and media jumped on this too quick. So even if they are right, they've lost their credibility.

I never knew that the Chilean player would admit to seeing the officer punched in the face, but I now I'm rubbing it in their face because it is the worst thing that could have happened to their case. They jumped the gun.

>>>I'm from Edmonton Canada and nobody here (at least nobody I know) really cares about what happened anymore.

No shit, it's an old story. What's fascinating to me is the Chilean reaction, because this country is normally a self-contained irony-free zone, but this is an international exception and afaic it's a black eye for Chile, even if the story fades away like all do anyway.

 
At 3:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I don't know much about the subject. I haven't seen or even looked for any stories, but it seems to me you really like to stir up the muck with your personal attacks aimed at Chile and Chileans.
"Is there anything stronger, more unifying to Chile than soccer? Perhaps empanadas? Argentina does both better."
Well, maybe that's how you keep people reading, or maybe you lose some readers too.
Hope none of them no where you live...
Ramsey

 
At 4:29 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

Well, that was an undisguised jab on my part, but it really is true. Soccer is an extremely unifying spectacle for Chileans. I've also heard it written and spoken from various Chileans that there's a relative lack of identity faced by Chile as a people/nation. It's a tired complaint among Chileans that soccer is the only thing that brings them together. Off the top of my head "empanadas" was the other thing I could think of. After annexing of Peruvian territory in the 1870's War of the Pacific the "Chilenization" of the Northern region involved stuffing empanadas down the locals' throats.
It was an odious, hateful imposition upon the locals who'd been Peruvian up to then.
(The Clinic, Sept 18, 2006). They could have at least ordered in from Argentina, more variety, more flavorful, etc.

The other thing is Pisco, which some Chileans get all chauvinistic about but which is just as much a product of Peru.

Anyway, I'm trying to steer away from talking to "Chile" as because it leaves room for a lot of unjust generalization, especially as regards the individuals who make up Chile. Yet I bent the rules this time, using the language of soccer "Chile Wins" or "Grow Up, Chile" for example, to linguistically underscore ability of soccer to foster national identity like nothing else can. That the nation, up to the president, rallied around a pugnacious bunch of rabble rowsers who can't even play the media well - it very aptly reflects how Chilean government, media and many of its people, for any number of reasons, are very bad at hypocrisy. Simply put, it's childish, immature, and Orwellian the nonsense that is gotten away with here - smog, corruption, impunity, racism and now, charges-of-racism-in-canada.

My point all along has been that hypocrisy is everywhere in the world, but Chile just does it very artlessly.

 
At 1:01 AM, Anonymous Red Baron said...

Hi

Thanks for stopping by and commenting on my 9/11 Santiago. Actually you found my old blog so feel free to browse the new one if you're bored. I am interested in Chile nowadays and what effect Pinochet has had.

cheers

 
At 1:45 AM, Anonymous Chileno said...

A pretty bad effect, as I guess is expected from about 17 years of gunpoint curfew. Despite popular myth, he didn't help the economy, but he has helped create the impression that the economy is good.

I should get the details on this but there's some international fund for artists that I heard someone was applying to from Chile but they didn't make it because Chile is supposedly not "3rd world" or something. Which is total nonsense. Re-adjust the poverty line to make it compatible with human standards and about 80% of the country is poor, not 13% that the government likes to boast, that's according to Chilean economist Marcel Claude.

 
At 5:21 AM, Anonymous lago said...

I'm quite sure the only 2 civilised and less corrupted countries of the entire continent will find a way to go trough this. :-)

http://info.worldbank.org/governance/wgi2007/worldmap.asp

and then :

http://www.myspace.com/lcdsoundsystem

;-)

 
At 5:26 AM, Anonymous lago said...

euhhh..

http://www.myspace.com/lcdsoundsystem

is random playing, clic on " north american scum"
cool song, and exellent LP :-)

 
At 10:13 AM, Anonymous Red Baron said...

Yes I'm afraid that Chile has been subject to the ridiculous line that everything must be ok because a pro-Western regime was in there, dictator, Pinochet, surely not he got on with Mrs. Thatcher. Nuff said!

South America continues to be raped and pillaged by the corporations and banking sector, urged to sell of all state utilities in order to qualify for aid, it's a disgrace. Look at the fiasco privatisation has made for the UK - hardly a model for future ways to safeguard your public services.

Central America fares much the same, and any attempt to get rid of the pro-Western apparatchiks meets with strong resistance from the US - look at Nicaragua, Ukraine etc. etc. etc. Even Britain and the EU fell foul because they deigned to buy their bananas from the Caribbean and not from good pro-US sources.

 
At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Rod said...

I live and work in Edmonton. If you fuck with the law, the law will fuck you up, specially on Whyte Av. If you look for trouble, you'll find it easy, either with police or with a bunch from the bar next door on the back alley parking.
Why is that people that had had some kind of trouble with the law cannot see these kind of situations objectivetly?

 
At 1:00 PM, Anonymous Faithful Lurker said...

Rod, I agree there has to be a moment where people need to look at it objectively. For some reason I get the impression Chile is tring to have their cake and not get fat. They want to bask in all the priviledges of being a developed nation. Yet still cling to "slave-master" roleplay when it's convenient.

Seriously what is La Presidenta going to do? Cut trade and diplomatic ties with Canada? I don't think so. She along with her minions will kiss Canada's pale white ass after this blows over. Chile unlike Argentina(Falkland War) does not bite the hand that feeds them. Chilean politicians just like to bark at the international press from time to time.

 
At 2:04 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

Lago - I'm always the last person to find out about music, so thank you so much for that link! I just downloaded the quickest torrent ever, and I'm listening to the entire album, I think "North America Scum" should be the anthem for the fallen Empire, even though its only substance is him bitching about how people are uptight and parties get broken up too early and they do it better in Europe. That's how I felt when I was 17 and traveled Europe solo for a summer then had to come back to HIGH SCHOOL. In high school parties when cops came, I remember one time seeing this dude literally dive into the bushes. I didn't even put down my drink. After a couple times seeing a party get broken up you should know the routine, cops only go for the most belligerent if they're going to arrest anybody, so I never understood why people freaked out so much. Bitching about how lame it was, yes, I did that too. But mortal fear? Not necessary, unless you were the drunkest, or it was your parents' house.

Anyway, if you get a chance to see them live its a totally kick ass show. I didn't know who they were and but then a friend dragged me along to a concert at the Filmore and I was blown away.

Your world bank link didn't work, was that your point? If so, I don't get it. If not, send the link that works.

Red Baron - keep reading, I'm planning to do at least one interview in the near future about the Chilean economy, plus a lot more bitching ;-)

 
At 2:56 PM, Anonymous lago said...

Sorry for the link it's :

http://info.worldbank.org/governance/
wgi2007/worldmap.asp

Just for illustrate my 2 countries affirmation ...

LCD, they're cool, I hope I can see them this summer on a festival , for the moment I receive them in my playlist .
For the song " scum" it sounds like leftism patriotism to me, but i'm not an english expert..

" NY is nice if you find someone to pay the rent .."

PD: The LP exists under two versions ; one is signed" LCD", an other is "LCDremixed", both are great :-)

 
At 3:12 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

Yo, it's the same bat broken link.

Anyway, maybe it sounds like leftist patriotism, or perhaps that line is just complaining about how high rent makes everyone materialistic, pushes out the artists, destroys the bohemian element and the quality of life, but I don't really know. I just think it's funny the way he phrases things, and says them, very deadpan. And the music is like a postmodern, totally un-badass "Born to be Wild", hilarious.

 
At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I assume that you've realized how truly insignificant you actually are with your miserable exitence. It's okay you're not alone, the pollution and the crowding of urban populations has gotten to you long time ago. That, and you've expanded on your misogynist tendancies.

Therefore you should refrain from actually committing vadalism. It'll be an extremely difficult task since you like 99.9 percent of the species are typically hypocritcal.

Posting your links on wikipedia about your irrelevant little viewpoints must give you loads of enjoyment, but in a nutshell screams of how much you are an attention seeking whore.

 
At 6:57 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

Last time I checked, I've got a pretty happy existence. You are right about insignificant, we all are, we're just people and that's a wise thing to remember. Of course, you seem pretty bitter about your own insignificance, I wish you the best of luck with that.

>>>hypocritcal

How am I hypocritical? I'm open to constructive criticism, if you're intelligent about it.

>>>misogynist tendancies.

Please elaborate.

>>>attention seeking whore.

It's also called blog promo, and I'm pretty damn good at it, thank you very much ;-)

 
At 9:01 PM, Blogger El Comendador said...

From today's Globe and Mail (Canada's national newspaper) ...

OVER TO YOU, CHILE

After a clash between Toronto police and the Chilean under-20 World Cup team on July 19, Chilean President Michelle Bachelet was quick to judge. The Chilean players, "clearly suffered an unjustified aggression."

Not so, says the Toronto force's Professional Standards Unit after a detailed review of video footage and extensive interviewing of independent witnesses, including the driver of the bus trashed by the players. The officers "were punched, kicked, spat upon and kicked in the groin", Toronto Police Chief William Blair said Monday. The officers showed "an immense amount of restraint".

Apology accepted any time President Bachelet cares to deliver it.

 
At 9:42 PM, Anonymous Chileno said...

She should, but she won't. Here's the Chilean reaction quoted via the Santiago Times:
Harold Mayne-Nicholls, president of Chile’s National Professional Football Association (ANFP), refuted police claims: “What they are suggesting does not seem very credible to me, especially since it is the fourth version of events they have given us. What’s more, if the players hit police, it is impossible that they would have let us go free.”

I swear to god that guy sounds just like Pato. The quick rebuttal from the Toronto cops:

“They were not charged because police officers in Canada have considerable discretion that they can use (…) The senior officer present met with FIFA officials for some considerable time, and they discussed what the consequences would be should the players be charged. One of those consequences clearly would have been that there would never have been the semifinal match (against Austria). After the discussion, the players were cautioned, they were released, and FIFA agreed to pay for the damages to the bus caused by the Chilean players,” Pugash said.

Later Mayne-Nicholls is quoted as saying, and this is fucking hilarious:

Vidal was only trying to shake off the five or six police that wanted to throw him to ground, something they ultimately could not do.”

Again, that's so Pato! This dude just wants to look tough. It's all about machismo, there's absolutely no intelligent argumentation, it's just saying, "look at what a stud I've bred." And they said the TORONTO POLICE were treating them like animals! Ha!

 
At 7:44 AM, Anonymous lago said...

Sorry for the link, it does work on my browser, anyway, here is the root link :

http://info.worldbank.org/governance/
wgi2007/sc_country.asp

And then just make your choice :-)

 

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