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What's behind this frenzied yearning to whitewash Chile? Is it inept but well-intentioned journalism by yanquis too far away to know the real story? Is it forgivable ignorance about a small, relatively unimportant Latin nation that causes these journalist-typists to accept whatever "news" makes it out of here, like Chile is on the rise, socialism is robust and the vast middle class have now become intelligent, naturally-blonde consumers and the last wisps of smog are being blown out of clean-air Santiago?
Reading Matthew Walters article today's Bloomberg, titled Chile, Seeking First World Status, Tackles Santiago River Mess, one would think so. A happy-go-lucky Gringo, ignorant yet optimistic. Except he doesn't pull it off that well. Matthew Walters lives in Santiago.
His article is about the Mapocho River, Santiago's Seine, or River Thames except here it's a sewage drain. According to Walters, Chile's troubled past is, well, past and environmental qualms are quickly on their way out. Santiago is becoming livable, open for business. It's a nakedly pro-development puff piece, and naturally the smog must be addressed. Mr. Walter's treatment of this delicate subject is ingenious. Hit it, Matt:
Bolstered by a more than sixfold increase in copper prices during the past five years, the government has awarded billions of dollars in contracts to improve the flow of traffic and cut pollution in Santiago, the smog-bound capital of 6 million in the shadow of the Andes Mountains that is known for its slums and smoke-spewing diesel buses.
In February, the city inaugurated its first centrally operated transit system, which, despite some start-up glitches, put new, pollution-cutting buses on the roads.
Start up Glitches!? Transantiago is now a world famous transportation catastrophe that has increased smog by putting more cars on the streets! An old man got smothered to death in the over-crowded metro, because of Transantiago. And even if Transantiago had worked, it would have reduced smog by 5%. But according to a recent editorial in La Tercera, car and truck emissions cause about 50% of smog in Santiago. And there are absolutely NO other initiatives to combat emissions, besides these billions flushed into failure.
So yes, you're right Mr. Walters. Transantiago has put more non-polluting buses on the streets. That is a Fact, an Almighty Fact. But your article was on Livability in Santiago. And that's how you treated smog? You conveniently fail to mention that smog reached its highest levels since 1999 last weekend! Boy I'd hate to base my relocation decisions on Bloomberg!
But then again, maybe it's not so bad. Business minded folk tend to live in neighborhoods like Las Condes, La Dehesa, Apoquindo, Vitacura, El Golf. Named after the golf course. Clean air. The cordillera. The brilliance of modernity -- they're the minority.
But seek and you shall find. I know the Rule is to first assume ineptitude -- not malicious design -- when something is gotten wrong. But in my casual perusal, so many stories about Chile the in business minded, white-washing North American press have been gotten wrong that I've developed a nagging suspicion: it's more than just lazy journalism which is drowning out the truth about Chile.
It's because cause of South America is not lost, just flailing, and 1st World capitalists who thrive on speculation search relentlessly for a bright and shining star to pin their hopes on. And when they can't find it, they turn to Chile. It's dull, smog stricken, poverty entrenched, unjust, exploitative and corrupt. But to big business, it's the best that South America has got.
So shining star or not, big business will make it happen, and the typists will type away. They'll lie, broadly and indiscriminately, with thick, wet, white brush strokes, paint that sparkles in the sun, pungent-smelling like progress, it's no shining Star, but it's good enough for them!
Brush strokes up and down the pickets of Chile's poor and underprivileged. Dead babies, increased asthma, cancer, higher geriatric mortality caused by smog, which proportionally thickens as the income bracket drops, overcrowded prisons, abysmal reproductive rights, religious parliamentary moves to eliminate all forms of contraception, massive imprisonment of Mapuche Indians, grocery store clerks who wear diapers because their supervisors won't allow them even 10 minute bathroom breaks. That's Chile! (At least, the Chile this Chile blog hopes to reveal).
But nobody needs to be reminded that the markets don't care about people. And so the markets will paint white whatever needs to be painted white. They'll even say that livability encourages more foreign companies relocating in Chile, and that those companies will magically reduce poverty, because, as we all know, outsourcing to third world nations is an altruistic movement in the U.S. paralleled only by the Peace Corps, and the wages they're doling out are magnificent.
After all, it doesn't take much to free yourself from the clutches of poverty in Chile.
Reading Matthew Walters article today's Bloomberg, titled Chile, Seeking First World Status, Tackles Santiago River Mess, one would think so. A happy-go-lucky Gringo, ignorant yet optimistic. Except he doesn't pull it off that well. Matthew Walters lives in Santiago.
His article is about the Mapocho River, Santiago's Seine, or River Thames except here it's a sewage drain. According to Walters, Chile's troubled past is, well, past and environmental qualms are quickly on their way out. Santiago is becoming livable, open for business. It's a nakedly pro-development puff piece, and naturally the smog must be addressed. Mr. Walter's treatment of this delicate subject is ingenious. Hit it, Matt:
Bolstered by a more than sixfold increase in copper prices during the past five years, the government has awarded billions of dollars in contracts to improve the flow of traffic and cut pollution in Santiago, the smog-bound capital of 6 million in the shadow of the Andes Mountains that is known for its slums and smoke-spewing diesel buses.
In February, the city inaugurated its first centrally operated transit system, which, despite some start-up glitches, put new, pollution-cutting buses on the roads.
Start up Glitches!? Transantiago is now a world famous transportation catastrophe that has increased smog by putting more cars on the streets! An old man got smothered to death in the over-crowded metro, because of Transantiago. And even if Transantiago had worked, it would have reduced smog by 5%. But according to a recent editorial in La Tercera, car and truck emissions cause about 50% of smog in Santiago. And there are absolutely NO other initiatives to combat emissions, besides these billions flushed into failure.
So yes, you're right Mr. Walters. Transantiago has put more non-polluting buses on the streets. That is a Fact, an Almighty Fact. But your article was on Livability in Santiago. And that's how you treated smog? You conveniently fail to mention that smog reached its highest levels since 1999 last weekend! Boy I'd hate to base my relocation decisions on Bloomberg!
But then again, maybe it's not so bad. Business minded folk tend to live in neighborhoods like Las Condes, La Dehesa, Apoquindo, Vitacura, El Golf. Named after the golf course. Clean air. The cordillera. The brilliance of modernity -- they're the minority.
But seek and you shall find. I know the Rule is to first assume ineptitude -- not malicious design -- when something is gotten wrong. But in my casual perusal, so many stories about Chile the in business minded, white-washing North American press have been gotten wrong that I've developed a nagging suspicion: it's more than just lazy journalism which is drowning out the truth about Chile.
It's because cause of South America is not lost, just flailing, and 1st World capitalists who thrive on speculation search relentlessly for a bright and shining star to pin their hopes on. And when they can't find it, they turn to Chile. It's dull, smog stricken, poverty entrenched, unjust, exploitative and corrupt. But to big business, it's the best that South America has got.
So shining star or not, big business will make it happen, and the typists will type away. They'll lie, broadly and indiscriminately, with thick, wet, white brush strokes, paint that sparkles in the sun, pungent-smelling like progress, it's no shining Star, but it's good enough for them!
Brush strokes up and down the pickets of Chile's poor and underprivileged. Dead babies, increased asthma, cancer, higher geriatric mortality caused by smog, which proportionally thickens as the income bracket drops, overcrowded prisons, abysmal reproductive rights, religious parliamentary moves to eliminate all forms of contraception, massive imprisonment of Mapuche Indians, grocery store clerks who wear diapers because their supervisors won't allow them even 10 minute bathroom breaks. That's Chile! (At least, the Chile this Chile blog hopes to reveal).
But nobody needs to be reminded that the markets don't care about people. And so the markets will paint white whatever needs to be painted white. They'll even say that livability encourages more foreign companies relocating in Chile, and that those companies will magically reduce poverty, because, as we all know, outsourcing to third world nations is an altruistic movement in the U.S. paralleled only by the Peace Corps, and the wages they're doling out are magnificent.
After all, it doesn't take much to free yourself from the clutches of poverty in Chile.
















22 Comments:
What happened to the starry-eyed optimism of your initial posts?
A new food court on the 6th floor sounds really exciting, however, no 1st world status till the institution of free soda refills.
see my comment in my blog post.
His starry-eyed optimism was drowned out by the sights and sounds of his observations of daily life in what is known as Chago City, or Santiasco...the way in which the Chilean press paints reality is surrealist. El Mercurio/La Tercera and there derivations are compose of underpaid journalists of whom a few have the opportunity to go out on the streets and report...and those who do are disattached and insensitive, if not arrogant in their mission to "capture" the voices of the people.
That said...read La Cuarta...which is worthwhile.
You must have written this about the time we met for cortado ... I wish I'd had the time to dig into all of this at that time ... but now I get to read and understand your views with the perspective of having just been in Santiago, after an absence of 5 years.
And, as you know (because of my 'blithering' about my history to you), I'd been in Stgo 23 times before - from 1988 through the 90's. So my view on the current conditions in Santiago are in comparison to those in 1988-2000.
Everything is relative, as they say, and I found that Santiago, in most ways, has improved a great deal - whether in Conchali, La Florida - or Providencia & La Dehesa. Perhaps "A rising tide raises all boats ..." applies - remembering of course that some have not raised nearly enough.
I agree with you, Roberto Marquez and the critical press - that the Concertacion governments (since dumping that Pin8 bastard) and the 'free-market' advocates (celebrants?)have seemed to be over-impressed by the improvements at the top end of the economy - and not enough concerned with the continuing (worsening??) gap between the 'tienes' and 'no-tienes' in Chilean society. Methinks that the rich & powerful of the barrio alto have had too much influence on the Concertacion in recent years. Let's hope that Bachelet will have more success than Lagos in the next few years.
Say hola to the lovely Pati!
Tom
Okay, this is off topic, but I linked to the google translator and typed in this text:
pense que me iba a chingar, pero volvio a darme la mota. Le habia dado 1000 pesos mexicanos.
The translation was as follows:
pense that was going to me to chingar, but volvio to give the speck me. Habia given 1000 pesos to him Mexican.
Imagine writing a whole article like this!
Ramsey
Vinko:
I'm not asking for free refills, I'm saying that the 6th floor doesn't exist. People say Santiago's improved. Great. Maybe it was on the first floor, and now it's three stories (if that). But for Christ's sake I'm not the one applying N. American standards to Chile. The N. American media is applying their tricks of the trade -- lying, 'objective' journalism -- to deny the rampant poverty of Chile. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm just saying that a LOT of Chileans are being left out and that the more 'Good News from Chile,' the more fucked over Chile's poor.
Tom, it's good to have your historical perspective, but see my comments above.
Tomás is right. It's surreal and I'd say Orwellian the way Chile's newspaper duopoly and Catholic-owned TV, plus foreign press, paint up a Chile that really doesn't exist.
So fine, if you come to Chile and see that copper revenues have paved a few roads and consumer credit has indebted people into shiny autos, you'd say it's improving. But again, it's a bunch of speculation and a lot of people are still hurting, and LESS recognized. 98% of Chile makes less that US$1,700/month. They don't own those cars or plasma TV's. They're slaves.
You can say the same thing about many N. Americans, but the difference is that salaries are much higher there, and there's a way to pay off that shit.
Chile should jump on this unique opportunity (copper revenues) to invest in its students and turn from a resource-based to a skill-based economy, but I don't see any good faith efforts underway to do that. Just tanks spraying down students. WTF. It seems the 'stability' of Chile's economy is based on copper revenues and consumer credit. Is that really going to stay stable?
Ramsey, I don't get it. What's wrong about that translation?
pense that was going to me to chingar, but volvio to give the speck me. Habia given 1000 pesos to him Mexican
Of course the pro-capitalist press (owned by the rich) are going to paint-up Chile as the best that South America has to offer. What else would they do?
Of course they are lying bastards--they have to perpetuate an illegitimate, hierarchical class/caste system on the subordinated, propagandized masses.
Same as with all countries that accept 'crapitalism' as the 'end of history', the ultimate goal, and only possibility of human socio-political arrangements.
What do you want the rich and the gringos to do?--share the wealth more equitably?, share in the drudgery of every-day work?
It will take the people some time to realize that Bachelet is really a pro-capitalist liberal. She is no stalwartl for a more socially just society, just a moderate reformer. Perhaps that is all that the current configuration of power will allow. The Chilean military (officers) hate the example that Chavez and Venezuela have developed--a patriotic, anti-imperialist left armed forces that will give the gringo hell if Sammie decides to invade.
>>>It will take the people some time to realize that Bachelet is really a pro-capitalist liberal.
Well, Bachelet being neo-liberal or "capitalist" isn't really a secret and I don't think anyone's disputed it. What does happen is the impression people have of her as socialist, for the people, etc. It's a lie, but it's a strong impression of "liberal" that people have based on really flimsy material like the fact that she's not a Catholic, she's not a man, and she's part of Chile's "socialist" party.
Yet this same "reformer" has made a point to evangelize Chile's "reduced poverty," when those numbers are based on a poverty line using 1980's level cost-of-living figures (El Mercurio). That's cruel.
She also just raised the minimum wage by about 16 cents an hour. Like a one-penny tip, that's cruel.
It's moments like these I wish that Chile had elected Piñera, a much more nakedly pro-business type who just got a little $700k slap on the wrist for insider trading on his stocks for his own company, LAN airlines. At least with Piñera Chile'd know what it's getting.
Anyway, I don't really wanna debate Chavez here, but you seem to loosely group together Chavez, Venezuela and the military when my impression is that the three don't exactly move in lock-step with one-another.
No, they don't all flow together in unison--there are contradictions and fissures.
However, without support of the military, Chavez would have gone the way of Allende, and the impoverished masses would be suffering the fascist boot, living in incredible fear, etc. You know the story, your compadres have lived it.
My understanding of Chile is truncated. Bachelet is the left-limit that the Chilean rightwing oligarchy will allow.
Change happens with the people, united, push the reformist leaders toward more egalitarian goals.
Part of the sucess of Pinochet has been to dis-spirit the working classes and the poor.
Only united can the working classes militate for a more just, heathy society. This is a bit of a truism.
The student militancy was an interesting phenomenon--and it was a bit underplayed and obscured in the capitalist press.
Equality of opprunity to compete in a capitalist society is a restricted goal, but it is a start nonetheless.
Listen, first of all it's a stretch at best to compare Chavez to Allende. Secondly, since when would a coup in Venezuela have led to a Pinochet-style dictatorship? And what makes you think the poor in Venezuela are so happy, in less fear than they would be with another government?
Just because the rightwing press likes to characterize that tyrant as "leftist" doesn't mean you should rally around him because you consider yourself a "leftist" too.
Allying himself with a brutal Iranian dictator and the man who killed the Sandinista movement, Chavez doesn't exactly strike me as a "people" person.
THIS IS A VERY ONE SIDED, UNDIPLOMATIC BLOG, MOST OF THE CHILEANS AGREE WITH WHAT CHAVEZ IS ATTEMPTING TO DO, SIPLY RESTORE VENEZUELA AS ONE NATION RATHER THAN LET THE US CONTROL IT AND SETTLE RIGHT-WING DICTATORSHIPS LIKE THEY DID WITH PINOCHET OR CHAVEZ.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 70'S AND 80'S...WE WILL NEVER FORGET.
First of all, ouch. I've got sensitive ears. Could you please not yell? Secondly, this blog was never intended to be balanced or diplomatic, but seriously if you and I were to compete for some sort of diplomacy award, I would win.
I'm no fan of right wing dictatorships, and I'm overjoyed to hear that 'YOU WILL NEVER FORGET' My observation is that on an institutional and cultural level there is a strong push to forget, so it's good to hear otherwise.
Nevertheless, I really wouldn't do Allende the disservice of comparing him to Chavez. I'm no expert in either one, but while they can both be qualified as left-leaning, I think there are many marked differences between the two. As well as the two countries.
I don't really know, but my impression is that Chavez doesn't really give a shit about his people. He's sitting on a black gold mine yet poverty remains abysmal. He's aligning himself with other cruel, populist rulers and proving himself no better than the Bush he criticizes (although fortunately smaller in scale).
You speak for 'MOST OF THE CHILEANS' who 'AGREE WITH WHAT CHAVEZ IS ATTEMPTING TO DO' and I would find that to be a fascinating statistic; I simply haven't done the research you have - could you provide me with a citation? Thanks!
No, your facts are wrong about Chavez.
His program has been very benenficial to the people at the bottom, among whom he has the most sustained and vigorous support.
Sure, poverty is bad--but the number of people rising from severe poverty is likely the most positive in Latin America, and around the world.
Comparing Chavez to Bush (who has engaged in criminal invasions that have lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians)---well, this remark serves to discredit you, makes you appear as an average, middle class, fearful opprotunist.
There is plenty of information about the changes taking place in Venezuela--you might consider availing yourself of these resources instead of displaying your willful ignorance with brazen abandon.
The choice is yours.
My guess is that you have a psychic investment in a very racialized, classist status quo. Yes, it is easy to be a cynic--and cynicism and laziness is what killed Allende and brought Bush and Pinochet to the forefront as expressions of rightwing reaction and state terror.
Good luck (to your readers lol)
>>>His program has been very benenficial to the people at the bottom, among whom he has the most sustained and vigorous support.
Neither is that a fact. It's more white do-gooder Berkeley liberal bullshit that people who have no idea about the reality of the people's lives like you like to spout out because they have daddy issues that they project against Bush, and they think Chavez is a better daddy. They don't see the dark side where he's coming home drunk and beating his kids. In Spain I lived with two Venezuelan exiles, anti-Chavista, who'd gotten their businesses closed down by a Chavista regional governor, because of their dad's political affiliations. Their pro-Chavista friends would visit and I talked to them, too. I read MarcCooper's blog and his analysis of Venezuela, Iran, the US, everything. I listen to facts and real people's opinions. You listen to KPFA. If they offer up any facts, you've already forgotten them, because you don't tune in for facts, you tune in for whining and false therapy.
>>>Sure, poverty is bad--but the number of people rising from severe poverty is likely the most positive in Latin America, and around the world
If you can prove that, great. I'll have something to argue against. But you can't prove it, or you're to LAZY to. Malcolm, you made a grave mistake by publishing your name on this blog. You are rabid, ignorant and blind Chavez supporter who's taken probably one of the most intelligently liberal blogs in Chile to task to vent your "love of the poor".
You don't know shit. I advocated for migrant Mexican workers in Santa Cruz, CA and walked through the maze of city beaurocracy, found shady discrepancies. My investigation ended up helping save a Mexican couple $30,000 that a white landlord was trying to rip them off for. It's fine if you make presumptuous, offensive statements about my character, but without any substantial argumentation skills you shit yourself. Your problem is that you reject your own government, but you
still are hopeful that some government could be a good, shining, city on a hill. You despise your daddy but you haven't moved on, you still think your neighbor's daddy is where it's at, and you love him blindly. Your so pathetic. I don't believe any government has all the answers, there might be good aspects to some, but to get as excited as you about Chavez, to make a RACIST, LATINAMERICANIST statement about Chavez and Allende, which is tantamount to saying 'ALL THOSE LATINS ARE THE SAME', you display a disgusting white, privileged, un-self questioning bourgeois arrogance. You use dime-store revolutionary language, which makes a mockery of the real struggles, that real people are facing. I'd like to see you get bitch slapped by a poor Venezuelan living in misery, you are JUST AS BAD as the ultra right Mathew Walters white-washing press gang, it's pathetic. And you should learn to read, too:
>>>Comparing Chavez to Bush
Why do so many fucking illiterates read my blog???? If you actually READ what I wrote, Malcolm, I said on a smaller scale. I don't blame Chavez for something to the scale of Iraq, but I do see that he's a shameless populist, who wants to control the media, etc. Putin has 80% popularity in Russia - does that mean he really represents the people? You get that kinda popularity when you control state media and you execute over a dozen journalists. (According to a dated New Yorker article). Bush has more or less allied himself with Putin, and Musharraf and a million other fucking terrorists. Similarly, Chavez allied himself with Ahmadinejad and Ortega, who effectively killed
the Sandinista movement but who's coming back as a populist reformer. It's such fucking bullshit.
Just because you criticize Bush doesn't mean you're good.
Here, dude. Read a couple posts from Marc Cooper, who was a translator for Salvador Allende.
About Chavez and the press
The Trio of Triumph for the Poor
Humble yourself, Cracker, or don't waste my time.
For the socialists on this board, I suggest Ayn Rand's ''Atlas Shrugged''. We all know who Karl Marx is but how many of you know ''Who is John Galt?''
Fuck Ayn Rand. She's a bestseller hack at best. If she wrote the same two-dimensional, didactic garbage with a socialist slant, I'd say the same thing. Life is too short to waste on shitty books.
chileno said
she's not a man?
Could of fooled me, she looks like a crossdresser.
According to the article the per captia income has tripled, which appears true. Yet, the reality is that income distribution has been abysmal.
Could you accuratley compare how Chileans were living in say circa 1998 as to how they are living presently. Has much changed other than the advent of credit?
Stats tend to show that the human development in the country tends to be the second highest in South America. I can't help but notice that it may be true but to what extent. That same statistic is apparently in thick contrast to newly industrialized nations such as Brazil, that appear to have more severe economic problems within its people.
You have been living in Santiago for how long now a year? I trekked through a couple South American countries, but noticed more poverty in countries such as Brazil with favelas in Rio and poor dwellings in Rosario, Argentina. I may have missed overt levels of poverty in Santiago, what sections of the capital are the most affected?
>>>what sections of the capital are the most affected?
Pudahuel, la Pintana, Cerro Navia, Puente Alto. Within those there are better/worse parts, so it depends where you go. I live in a nice neighborhood for Santiago, it's like California where everyone's into yoga and herbal healing and shit. But then a 10 minute walk and there's a frickin' shanty town, walls made out of plywood, densely populated abject poverty.
>>>Yet, the reality is that income distribution has been abysmal.
So Chile has *apparent* wealth because of the free market or whatnot, but the people remain poor. The more money you have, the more you can define Chile as YOU, and not the weón roto moreno who works 10 hours a day for $1/hour, if that, rides the bus four hours, etc.
>>>human development
you mean education? That's one of the biggest scams that Pinochet pulled off. Education is BIG BUSINESS but largely the degrees that people obtain are worthless. Many private universities don't even look at grades, the just want clients, people buy into this need to "have a degree" so we've got a country of "educated" people who, even when their education is decent (in some cases, it's okay) but even then it doesn't matter because they'll land a shitty office job often making LESS than 1k a month USD, and on top of that they've got a US-sized student loan to pay off. They'd do better busing tables or or driving a bus. Same or better wage, without the fat debt. But the whole "middle class" (which is actually poor by human standards) is duped by the bourgeois dream.
You see, I'm not saying you're doing this, nor am I an economist, but I kinda suspect that many of the comparisons between Chile and the rest of Latin America are disingenuous because, yes, a country's economy is dependent on its region bla bla bla but what about all the free trade agreements with N. America, Asia (and Europe?), point being it's a huge global export economy that largely eschews its neighbors, but then contrasts itself to its neighbors when convenient.
Regardless of where its neighbors are at Chile CAN and SHOULD be doing a lot better for its poor, and its not. I think real poverty (not the gov't figures which are erroneous) still might actually be less than in other Latin American countries, but that's not good enough. And besides, is it really that much better? Crime and disaffection is SUCH a big problem here because often there simply are not jobs for people living in the slums, and drugs and violence soar.
>>>Could you accuratley compare how Chileans were living in say circa 1998 as to how they are living presently. Has much changed other than the advent of credit?
I can't, but I will research it and talk to experts. In fact, if you could send over any more questions about the economy, I'll try to get them heard.
Before deciding to actually live in Santiago did you have this concept that the grass was going to be greener on the other side? Were you misled by Chilean people you knew? Did you buy in to blatant lies? Or did you always know what the reality would be, but thought hell why not? Let me go for it.
Using an American reference as an example
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html
On Life expetancy Chile is listed as the highest in South America. On
Infant mortality rate stated as lowest in South America. Unemployment rate is the lowest in that region. Are these things being concocted by the Chilean government?
I mean the poor in Chile are suffering the same way in almost every other part of the developing world. The poor suffer just as much as somone living in Newark, NJ only that they have the World Power helping them out with a little government assistance now and then.
I'm running out the door so I can't respond to everything, but in the meantime please validate this statement:
The poor suffer just as much as somone living in Newark, NJ only
Is that a fact, if so, who are you citing? Also, what do you mean by "poor"? What is the poverty line for the respective regions you mention? What is "poor" in Chile, and "poor" in New Jersey?
Thanks...
The poor in Chile and the poor in the U.S. suffer through both social and structural inequality. The official poverty line being drawn in both countries do not present the reality. People living in poverty will suffer from the same social problems: rape, murder, alcoholism, drug addiction, racism, illness, and breakdown of the family. The economic circumstances that envelop them will affect their housing, education, jobs, stress, well-being, health, and ultimately their justice.
Every major city has sections with filthy streets and neglected buildings. These things may enable a culture of poverty, where someone may become fatalistic, passive, and think primarily of the present and at times also being self-destructive.
The difference is how many people in each country live in these conditions, and how much governmant assistance is available to them.
Poverty is being drawn by an invisible magical line. The poor in Newark, NJ are classified not solely on governmental figures, but through personal observation, and discussion, much the same way that you perceive the environment that you currently find yourself in.
"Anonymous" you've demonstrated some intelligence and willingness to converse further so please do me, everybody else and yourself a favor and sign in with a nickname we can identify you by, doesn't have to be your real name. But it'd really help. Thanks!!!
Back to your questions: I don't think anyone mislead me into coming here, the admirable qualities of people and things I had heard about Chile still exist, and I still encounter them daily.
>>>What the hell, go for it
I'd lived in a foreign country before and knew that things were less "convenient". So I try not to waste time ranting about the fact that I have to hold down a button for 20 seconds before taking a hot shower, whereas in the states you just hop in and turn on the water. That's expat newbie shit at best. What I do think it's worthwhile bitching about is the fact that not only does broadband service here suck, but one MBPS costs over USD$60/month, whereas the SAME velocity costs USD$1/month in Japan, normally about $15-$20. The study that showed this discrepancy was based on 30 countries, and Mexico at 50-something bucks-per month, was the absolute worse. Chile is even worse that Mexico! But Chile wasn't included in the study, because it's this tiny country that nobody cares about. So people say, yeah, there's good and bad to everywhere you go but that's a facile way to avoid the issues because Chile's problems are oftentimes very UNIQUE TO CHILE, although they relate to very universal issues like "poverty", "technology" the Chilean way of dealing/not-dealing is what needs to be focused upon because this is a blog about CHILE. And while, yeah, everybody in every country complains about evil Telcoms, that's no revelation, I find that the degree of scale is incredible in Chile, when it's bad here it's REALLY BAD (like broadband, for example). Or classism. Or smog. Or inequality - one of the worst nations in the world, according to the World Bank.
Anyway, the CIA World Factbook you cite is probably just taking its sweet time updating "poverty" in Chile, and no doubt they will dutifully type in the "13%" figure provided by the Chilean government.
I emailed a conservative Canadian columnist after he wrote a glowing piece about Chile's economy, he'd citing the 13% figure. I asked him if he knew what the poverty line in Chile was. He said he didn't but he'd gotten that figure from the United Nations - they seem a little quicker than the CIA in updating websites or whatever. Anyway, I was uncharacteristically gracious in the email and politely told him what the poverty line was in Chile (it's completely detached from the reality of the cost of living, if you earn USD$60/month in rural areas you're not "poor", USD$90/month in urban areas). As I've said repeatedly, poverty in Chile is arguably closer to 80%, not 13%. So sure, CIA may say things about infant mortality and age and I can't argue against those figures. But just because it's better than other latin american countries, does that mean it's good as it could be considering the wealth that is in Chile?
Here's my concern: I see Chilean gov't and first world business interests vehemently touting Chile as the best in the region, but arguably behind all of this is the logical fallacy known as "it could be worse".
I choose to see it this way: "Chile could be BETTER". And this is not, oh, I wish it could but it's a humble third world nation, NO!. Chile is FILTHY RICH, but it's got one of the WORLD'S WORST distribution of wealth. Chile CAN be better but many people would have it otherwise.
>>>fatalistic, passive, and think primarily of the present and at times also being self-destructive.
I think that describes a lot more than 13% of Chile.
>>>Poverty is being drawn by an invisible magical line. The poor in Newark, NJ are classified not solely on governmental figures, but through personal observation, and discussion, much the same way that you perceive the environment that you currently find yourself in.
True, but I think what Chilean economist Marcel Claude did was a lot more scientific. He developed a poverty line of his own, which is much higher than that of the government. While the gov't's poverty line is based on the cost of two minimum food rations per person using 1980'S COST OF LIVING METRICS, Claude has the notion that people in a modern society are more than cavemen, and that they might even need to pay rent, utility bills, and other crass luxuries. Well, he does include minimum entertainment in his figure, but why not. It's about dignity, etc, which brings us back to the cultural perceptions and fatalism you speak of. For Christ's sake, would you call someone "middle class" if they can't even go to a movie once a month, much less pay rent and their electricity bills on time???
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